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Post by Portland Buckaroos on Aug 7, 2022 0:09:02 GMT -5
Issue: Adding Points to the Skater Scoring CategoriesThis poll will remain active for 1 week from the time it is posted.
A ' YES' vote means Points (Goals + Assists) will be added as a skater scoring category starting in the upcoming 2022 season. Expected Effect - This will increase the value of offensive players, or at least bring their actual production more in line with how the DHL has traditionally valued them.
- This will add a 13th scoring category, giving us an odd number of total categories, and likely reducing the number of 6-6 ties we see currently.
- This may increase the value of forwards with respect to defensemen.
- This may increase the value of skaters with respect to goalies.
- This may increase the effectiveness of playing young skaters, who traditionally are more offensive.
- This may make scouting prospects easier, where offensive numbers are more readily available.
- This will place a greater emphasis on scoring which is more in line with the NHL.
A ' NO' vote means
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 7, 2022 17:09:59 GMT -5
I had mentioned that I'd post some data to show you guys how this would impact our FanTrax Score ranking, and completely forgot to do so!
I'm working all day long, but will post the data here very late tonight or tomorrow when I have the chance.
I highly recommend everyone take a look at what I have to share before voting, in order to make a fully informed choice.
Sorry that I didn't think to do it earlier!
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 8, 2022 2:39:23 GMT -5
Here's how the FanTrax Score Rank looks, with "CLASSIC" being what we have now, and "POINTS" being what it would look like if we added Points (Pt) as a 13th scoring category:
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 8, 2022 2:42:06 GMT -5
And if there's concern for how this would effect the value/balance of Skaters to Goalies, here's how the FanTrax Score Rank with Skaters AND Goalies ("ALL") looks, with "CLASSIC" being what we have now, and "POINTS" being what it would look like if we added Points (Pt) as a 13th scoring category:
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 8, 2022 3:13:39 GMT -5
I share this data so you can all see the level of impact we are talking here (it's not much). I think on assumptions, it probably sounds a lot bigger than it really is, which may discourage people from wanting to adopt it. I feel that if people look through the names, they'll likely feel the same way I do, which is that a FanTrax scoring system with Points added is more reflective of true value.
1) As you can see from the *ALL* (Skaters + Goalies) ranking, goalies are barely effected, if at all. Mikko Koskinen and Scott Wedgewood still have a higher ranking than Svechnikov, DeBrincat and Sidney Crosby, just like God intended. So do not let that be a concern for how you may vote.
2) Doug stated skepticism for this proposal previously, and provided a list of the top paid players in our league. I'll use his list to demonstrate the effect of this proposal on the rankings, using the SKATERS ONLY list, as I think I've already made my point about Goalies: - Connor McDavid (Classic Skater Rank = 2nd, Points Skater Rank = 1st) - Leon Draisaitl (Classic Skater Rank = 11th, Points Skater Rank = 11th) - Nathan MacKinnon (Classic Skater Rank = 26th, Points Skater Rank = 21st) - Nikita Kucherov (Classic Skater Rank = 170th, Points Skater Rank = 127th) *Played Half Season* - Aleksander Barkov (Classic Skater Rank = 21st, Points Skater Rank = 19th)
Looking at the rankings above, it shows me that the changes are not overwhelming, but are moving in the appropriate direction for what this league's free agent market clearly values. Why would we not want to adjust things to align performance with not only DHL value, but NHL value as well?
And this is especially enticing with the added effect of helping to reduce the 6-6 results, and therefore ties.
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Post by Simi Valley Kings on Aug 8, 2022 11:17:22 GMT -5
No matter the data I don't think posts like these should be included in the thread. It was discussed during the summit and the poll was put forth to be an objective way of voting. Further data and messages in an attempt to sway people's opinions vote is not something we should be encouraging.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 8, 2022 12:55:35 GMT -5
No matter the data I don't think posts like these should be included in the thread. It was discussed during the summit and the poll was put forth to be an objective way of voting. Further data and messages in an attempt to sway people's opinions vote is not something we should be encouraging. I think that is fair, to a degree. Accordingly, I've removed one of my posts that may have crossed the line. However, I will say that I mentioned in the conference itself that I would be posting the data along with the poll. Due to unforseen circumstances, we did not have time for the short discussion/consideration period before voting opened, hence why it's come afterwards.
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Post by Portland Buckaroos on Aug 8, 2022 13:21:35 GMT -5
No matter the data I don't think posts like these should be included in the thread. It was discussed during the summit and the poll was put forth to be an objective way of voting. Further data and messages in an attempt to sway people's opinions vote is not something we should be encouraging. I think that is fair, to a degree. Accordingly, I've removed one of my posts that may have crossed the line. However, I will say that I mentioned in the conference itself that I would be posting the data along with the poll. Due to unforseen circumstances, we did not have time for the short discussion/consideration period before voting opened, hence why it's come afterwards. What? We've stated explicitly that we should be discussing the proposals in the poll threads. Of course people should be trying to to convince each other of their opinions. What a strange thing to say.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 11, 2022 18:02:55 GMT -5
With a 7-5 vote in favour, Points (Goals + Assists) will be added as a Skater scoring category. This will begin with the upcoming 2022 season.
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