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Post by Portland Buckaroos on Sept 28, 2021 18:11:18 GMT -5
Issue: Changing the Match-Up Week Beginning and End Days
This poll will be active for 48 hours from the time it is posted. A majority of votes is required to enact a rule change.
A Yes Means:
The standard weekly match-ups will start on Sunday and end on Saturday.
A No Means:
No Change. The standard weekly match-ups will start on Monday and end on Sunday.
Expected Effects: The many transactions that take place when the counter is reset will now happen on Sunday Match-ups will end on Saturday, the busiest day of the week for some added drama There will still be weeks that are oddly scheduled due to All-Stars, Olympics, beginning and end of the NHL season, etc.
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain when I start making up new rules for fun.
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Post by Melbourne Bushrangers on Sept 29, 2021 7:54:39 GMT -5
Sorry if I have missed something - what is the ‘why’ behind this one?
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Sept 29, 2021 12:41:55 GMT -5
Sorry if I have missed something - what is the ‘why’ behind this one? This was an idea of mine, so I'm happy to answer any questions that people may have about it. The why on this one is that Doug had raised some interesting points about using Saturday's results as a match-up tie-breaker. While that vote did not pass, his point about Saturday being the "biggest" night in the NHL nearly every week stands true. While there are some Sundays with a good schedule, others have just one or a small handful of games going on, which I think can come off as sort of anti-climactic. Often times, a match-up is decided by the end of Saturday, and Sunday is just sort of going through the motions? And when you do have transaction(s) left over, they are often used for "Hail-Mary" type moves (your Dallas Stars 3rd Line RW just happens to be playing vs the Wild that afternoon, so you Promote them when you otherwise wouldn't), as opposed to ones that you'd actually like to be committed to (out of strategy, rather than circumstance). By having our match-ups end on a Saturday, you're more likely to be able to use your transactions towards "meaningful" moves that have a stronger impact on deciding that week's match-up, AND it should make our weekly finale's a lot more exciting and dynamic. As a personal aside (this is much lower on the priority, truthfully, but I'll mention it anyways), I work nearly every Saturday and Sunday, but am off on Mondays and Tuesdays for family duties where I'm barely on the computer. So, often times, transactions that you guys submit for the end of the week often come in late Sunday/early Monday where frankly, I'm just not going to get around to them for about 48hrs. This is not that big of a deal (and I'd want people to vote more on the earlier points than this one), but if our match-ups roll over on Saturdays, I'm hoping that means that I can be more hands-on in processing the league's transactions in a timely manner each time we move into a new match-up.
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St. Roch Hawks
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Sept 29, 2021 12:53:24 GMT -5
I think the potential for Saturday endings to our matchups is fantastic. Use the end of our first matchup as an example - there are 14 games on Saturday, October 16th and one on Sunday, October 17th. Ending our matchup on the 17th would mean the last day of our matchup was useless unless you happen to have a LOT of players on the Wild or Senators. But ending on the 16th, instead, has the potential for greatness as pretty much our entire rosters will be active. Both teams should have a goalie available, both teams should have at least 15 skaters available and every scoring category would still be in play. You could enter the day down 3-9 and end the day winning 7-5 and it would be over that night - no anti-climactic Sunday matchup to delay the results.
Then, starting Matchup #2 on Sunday allows us to ease into the next matchup. With only one matchup you don't need to make a lot of roster moves because there's only the one game. Save them for later in the week.
I love this idea, personally, and think it'll make the Saturday NHL schedule even more of a must-see TV event for all of us each week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 6:36:33 GMT -5
I don’t think we should decide this without talking about it at a summit first.
Had it come up at the previous one that I was at, I would have been able to explain in person how this seemingly minor change would make it incredibly difficult for me to continue managing in this league—or at least managing with the same level of participation.
If such a change is made, I may not be able to continue in our league.
Had it come up before the draft/free agency, then we could have had a new manager in place to oversee their team for the year.
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Post by Castleford Coyotes on Sept 30, 2021 8:50:56 GMT -5
Does the date change to Saturday change for everyone? For example I'm in the UK so would it still be Saturday for me or is it different for participants in other time zones?
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Post by Simi Valley Kings on Sept 30, 2021 11:40:51 GMT -5
I think there is a compromise here. I think the time deadline is irrelevant as long as it happens before the games begin. If that makes Tim's life a little more manageable, then I am all for it as I really think the last games of a matchup being on Saturday really does make for a more compelling season.
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Post by Portland Buckaroos on Sept 30, 2021 16:02:05 GMT -5
Does the date change to Saturday change for everyone? For example I'm in the UK so would it still be Saturday for me or is it different for participants in other time zones? It's based on when the games are played, so assume North American time.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Oct 1, 2021 0:14:08 GMT -5
I don’t think we should decide this without talking about it at a summit first. Had it come up at the previous one that I was at, I would have been able to explain in person how this seemingly minor change would make it incredibly difficult for me to continue managing in this league—or at least managing with the same level of participation. If such a change is made, I may not be able to continue in our league. Had it come up before the draft/free agency, then we could have had a new manager in place to oversee their team for the year. I've since talked to Tim about this privately, but I'll share this here as well for the sake of everyone. It wasn't brought up at the conference because I only came up with it a couple weeks ago, when looking over the NHL schedule and getting ours ready here. I honestly thought that this was such a minor, "quality of life" change that there would be no issue with it. Completely innocuous. Evidently, I was wrong here, and I in no way intended for there to be a big impact with a change like this. I was considering shelving it, at least until next season after we've been able to discuss things more, but it seems like the vote did indeed pass, and a compromise has been offered on Tim's side that looks like we'll be able to make this work. I think there is a compromise here. I think the time deadline is irrelevant as long as it happens before the games begin. If that makes Tim's life a little more manageable, then I am all for it as I really think the last games of a matchup being on Saturday really does make for a more compelling season. Traditionally, the deadline/cut-off for match-up transactions has been 3amET/MidnightPT on the Sunday night/Monday morning of a match-up. I went through the entire NHL calendar, and 1pmET/10amPT is the earliest start on Sundays through the year, other than there being one 12:30pm game. So, if we set a deadline of 12:59pmET/9:59amPT on Sundays for any final weekly transactions, we can still have the board cleared to start each new match-up fresh. Now, before anything is official, I want to check with Castleford, Haukiputaan, and Melbourne that this is going to work okay with you guys? Perhaps there is something I am overlooking in your varied situations, so I just want to double-check. To be clear, you can use all your expiring transactions up any time BEFORE the deadline, you don't have to wait for that time to file them or anything. Likewise, you'll be permitted to make/submit any transactions for the new match-up (i.e. Sunday games) before those games start as well. We just may need people to be clear and indicate if a move they are making is for the ending match-up, or the new one that's starting (people have already been courteous enough to do this for a few years now anyways). If anyone has unforeseen issues with this, please let me know here or in private, otherwise it'll be taken that this works for everyone and will be implemented for the coming season. Thanks.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Oct 1, 2021 0:20:16 GMT -5
Does the date change to Saturday change for everyone? For example I'm in the UK so would it still be Saturday for me or is it different for participants in other time zones? Does the date change to Saturday change for everyone? For example I'm in the UK so would it still be Saturday for me or is it different for participants in other time zones? It's based on when the games are played, so assume North American time. This is correct, all times are generally posted in Eastern Time / Pacific Time here. It's what the NHL generally goes by, so I've just stuck with that for ease of communication. If there's ever any confusion, you can reference something like this to see what the equivalent would be for you: time.is/comparetime.is/1300_17_Oct_2021_in_Toronto/Castleford/Haukipudas/MelbourneAnd to reiterate, this is just for the DEADLINE of the match-up as it is ending. You can make/submit your weekly transactions anytime before that, and don't have to wait for it or anything.
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Post by Castleford Coyotes on Oct 1, 2021 2:38:49 GMT -5
So what time would the deadline be for the proposed deadline? 23:59 P/T? Just so I can check what that would be GMT.
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St. Roch Hawks
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Oct 1, 2021 3:40:14 GMT -5
12:59pm ET on Sunday would be the time.
I believe that would be 17:59pm in London / 02:59am Monday morning in Melbourne / 19:59pm in Helsinki.
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Post by Castleford Coyotes on Oct 1, 2021 10:49:34 GMT -5
Thats good with me!
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Post by Melbourne Bushrangers on Oct 2, 2021 7:50:46 GMT -5
All good here, thanks for checking.
The best part of this league is that we all take it seriously and it takes a certain level of commitment to just participate, let alone be a perennial contender. It would be a shame to unnecessarily make life more difficult for a well respected GM. Or Nebraska.
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Post by Haukiputaan Ahmat on Oct 3, 2021 5:41:07 GMT -5
Last season I didn't really need to worry about this as did have enough injuries to more or less make weekly transactions useless, hopefully different for this season.
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