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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 11:41:17 GMT -5
Post by Simi Valley Kings on Aug 15, 2017 11:41:17 GMT -5
Here's the rule as it's stated:
j) A manager who is on the clock during the EL Player Draft can choose to skip their current selection if there is no player available that they are currently interested in selecting. They can then use that pick at some point later in the draft (but have lost the priority they had in their initial selection window), save it for use at a later day, or choose to not use it at all (I.E. No roster slots to accommodate the player). All draft picks that are left unused after the completion of the EL Draft can be banked beyond the EL Draft, until November 30th at 11:59pmEST/8:59pmPST in the year that draft has taken place. At that point, any draft picks left further unused simply expire. Until they expire, Draft Picks are still tradeable.
I think the key phrase here is - "They can then use that pick at some point later in the draft (but have lost the priority they had in their initial selection window), save it for use at a later day, or choose to not use it at all."
I don't remember the Samsonov situation so you may be right but there is some interpreting to be done here and the Commish needs to weigh in on this before your pick is considered valid or not.
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 11:43:25 GMT -5
Post by Morweena Reimnoceri on Aug 15, 2017 11:43:25 GMT -5
Under the EL Draft rules, rule j states (as I understand it) you can defer your pick to be used whenever you want before that day when they all expire. You just lose priority.
So, I believe this is kosher
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 11:46:08 GMT -5
Maybe the wording is slightly confusing on the "at some point later... lost the priority"... but it is my personal recollection that this has been understood (and used in the past) to mean that a deferred pick cannot be used to jump the line and select an EL player that has already been chosen.
So that would mean that a deferred pick can't all of a sudden jump in and say, "No, wait, I wanted that guy! My pick priority is above yours! He's mine now!"
However, it also means that the pick can be used at any time to select a non-selected/non-rostered EL player. The rules do not say that a deferred pick must be used after all other non-deferred picks have been used.
Does that make sense?
I'm mostly certain we've had this come in to play at some point. I could be misunderstanding the intent of the rules. Perhaps rule j could be edited to read a little more clearly on this issue.
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 11:46:16 GMT -5
Post by Vegas Aces Wild on Aug 15, 2017 11:46:16 GMT -5
Understand your point Simi
But, with that in mind, after Doug picks, then Oslo is up...then Melbourne...then Doug again...so where would I be able to get in?
I do get what you're saying and think this "Deferred" play should be revamped to include this scenario moving forward.
However, now that I've played my hand in good conscience because I honestly thought that was the rule, what should be the course of action?
(Of course I'm assuming & hoping Doug isn't even interested because he already has 2 goalies "in waiting")
And thanks for the recollection insight Nebraska
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 11:50:08 GMT -5
Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 15, 2017 11:50:08 GMT -5
Don't have time to elaborate right now, but Vegas' selection is valid. St. Roch's 24hr window resets to the time of Vegas' pick. Carry on.
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 11:53:27 GMT -5
Post by Vegas Aces Wild on Aug 15, 2017 11:53:27 GMT -5
Thanks Commish
And I guess good to know moving forward for all of us AND the new guys.
Cheers
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 11:56:39 GMT -5
Post by St. Roch Hawks on Aug 15, 2017 11:56:39 GMT -5
That's valid. A deferred pick, or one that has the clock expire on it, can be used at any time. The only question I would have on it is because it was traded and whether or not the trade has gone through. "a) Once a trade is agreed upon, post it on the boards in the Trade thread and have all parties involved in the trade confirm it. Once all parties confirmed, the trade will go through as long as the trade is valid and there are no complaints on the trade by the league. Players and available cash may be traded. b) If you feel that a trade is unfair, send a PM to the commissioner with an explanation of why you believe the trade should be vetoed. If the commissioner receives 5 or more PMs from teams wishing to veto the trade with satisfactory explanations within 24 hours of the trade being posted, the commissioner will then create a poll for the league to vote on whether or not to allow the trade. Read more: dynastyhockey99.proboards.com/thread/3/transactions#ixzz4pqNkTeDx" So if the trade has gone through and is valid then the pick is fine and I have no problem with it. I also understand that my clock has re-set and I have another 24 hours, is that correct?
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 11:58:43 GMT -5
Post by Vegas Aces Wild on Aug 15, 2017 11:58:43 GMT -5
Hopefully no one has an issue with a Deferred 4th for a 5th & $2 and both of us agreed before I posted.
And yes...Adam said above...your 24-hr clock is reset
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 12:01:54 GMT -5
Post by Simi Valley Kings on Aug 15, 2017 12:01:54 GMT -5
Wow. A bit surprised by that. Any team in this situation could have been working on a trade, either to acquire the pick or for the team on the clock to move it. It changes the dynamic of the draft process as far as I am concerned. To me deferred picks need to be delayed until after the draft...hence the term "defer".
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 12:04:45 GMT -5
Post by St. Roch Hawks on Aug 15, 2017 12:04:45 GMT -5
Wow. A bit surprised by that. Any team in this situation could have been working on a trade, either to acquire the pick or for the team on the clock to move it. It changes the dynamic of the draft process as far as I am concerned. To me deferred picks need to be delayed until after the draft...hence the term "defer". I agree with that. A rule change may be needed because otherwise it destroys the exclusive 24-hour window that a team supposedly has to draft a player or make a trade.
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 12:07:28 GMT -5
Post by Vegas Aces Wild on Aug 15, 2017 12:07:28 GMT -5
Wow. A bit surprised by that. Any team in this situation could have been working on a trade, either to acquire the pick or for the team on the clock to move it. It changes the dynamic of the draft process as far as I am concerned. To me deferred picks need to be delayed until after the draft...hence the term "defer". Very good point Simi And, I for one, would need to seriously consider Deferring before doing so - as I almost always do. (Not sure why I needed to sound like Dr Seuss there)
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 12:13:00 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 12:13:00 GMT -5
I actually like the deferring dynamic as it is. It's rare that someone defers so early in the draft, but it creates an interesting dynamic to those of us trying to trade our picks.
I understand that it may be easier to have a rule that makes all deferred picks occur after the draft, but I don't think having such a rule gives much (if any) benefit to our league.
If anything, this made for an exciting push for Vegas to make a trade and get his pick in. I thought it was fun.
But that's just me.
Sidebar: If someone would like to move their pick (5th round, whenever), I'm interested in buying picks for $1. Cap space is super tight for most of us, and I suspect that most of the trade market for picks has been exhausted.
If someone is willing to offer more than $1 for a pick, please let me know, and I'll happily sell you my other 5th round pick.
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 12:24:08 GMT -5
Post by Simi Valley Kings on Aug 15, 2017 12:24:08 GMT -5
This is the whole point for the 24 hour window. Having 24 hours to make a deal is all the excitement that is required. If a team can't can't decide on a player or make a trade in that time frame then it is deferred to a later time. There is value in that pick during the 24 hours for a team to make a choice. Once it is deferred that value should be that it is a deferred pick and can't be used until after the draft. It should lose some of it's weight as a deferred pick in my opinion.
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St. Roch Hawks
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 12:58:39 GMT -5
Post by St. Roch Hawks on Aug 15, 2017 12:58:39 GMT -5
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Round 4
Aug 15, 2017 16:09:42 GMT -5
Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 15, 2017 16:09:42 GMT -5
Oslo has sent me his pick from vacation.
Oslo selects Vladislav Kamenev, LW, Nashville Predators
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