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Post by Moscow Red Army on Feb 9, 2024 14:22:11 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
I'm sure you all know about the situation with the 5 former Hockey Canada J20 players that have been criminally charged in the last week. 4 of them are current NHL players (Dillon Dube, Cal Foote, Carter Hart, and Michael McLeod), and 2 of them are currently owned by a DHL team (Dube in Vegas, Hart in Tampa Bay).
Tony of Vegas Aces Wild reached out to me about the circumstances, curious what it might mean for his roster, as the team most affected. Truthfully, I was uncertain how to handle it, and felt that some extra insight could be of value in a decision.
The NHL has granted cap relief to their respective NHL teams, and after some thought and discussion with a couple other managers in the DHL, we've decided to extend the same offer to DHL teams as well.
So Dillon Dube ($3 A) will immediately be made a Free Agent, and his salary will be scrubbed from Vegas' books, akin to an AMNESTY BUYOUT.
Carter Hart ($12 EL), on the other hand, will be left to Michael of Tampa Bay Thunder to decide how he wants to proceed. With Hart being an EL Player, the power lies in Michael's hands anyways (as he can be EL RELEASED at any time). At the moment, Hart is on Tampa Bay's IR, with John Gibson functioning as a FAIR goalie.
If Michael would like to keep this situation as it is now, he's totally welcome to. Otherwise, he's welcome to EL RELEASE Carter Hart, and be refunded that salary. This would however make John Gibson a Free Agent again, eligible to be auctioned by any other team, or Tampa Bay themselves.
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Post by Vegas Aces Wild on Feb 9, 2024 15:12:29 GMT -5
Thanks very much Commish and gents.
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Feb 11, 2024 1:40:35 GMT -5
Hart should no longer be eligible for IR. He's facing sexual assualt charges, that should not allow a team in our league to get a replacement for free.
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Post by Portland Buckaroos on Feb 12, 2024 18:43:55 GMT -5
Remove all the players from our league. Wipe out their salaries. Be done with it.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Feb 12, 2024 18:49:17 GMT -5
Hart should no longer be eligible for IR. He's facing sexual assualt charges, that should not allow a team in our league to get a replacement for free. This is a very valid point, that I feel requires some discussion here. I'm hoping we can keep this civil and grounded. Unfortunately, the way that the NHL handled this whole thing (which reverberates down to FanTrax, and by extent, the DHL/myself), it left room for a lot of confusion and uncertainty. If the Calgary Flames themselves are being duped into granting Dillon Dube "an indefinite leave of absence as he attends to his mental health", we have to accept that the lowly DHL isn't exactly on the speed-dial, and are sort of at the whims of the powers above in how we navigate this. I assume FanTrax, who I'm sure prioritize adjusting a player's status as soon as possible so managers can make corresponding moves, gave each of those players a red flag status. With our DHL IR rules, that technically makes them eligible for an IR Replacement (which Tampa Bay Thunder have lawfully utilized). At this point FanTrax has the 4 relevant NHL players set to the status of "Injured Reserve - Non-Roster - Personal", with an actual IR red flag (with the cross and such). I assume they did this because, well, I'm not sure there's another status more precise? They DO have a yellow "Suspended" flag (as is affecting Vegas' Brenden Dillon at the moment, and will certainly be applied to Tampa Bay's Morgan Rielly any minute now), which I'd PERSONALLY call more accurate, but the NHL technically hasn't suspended the 4 active NHLers involved in this court case right now. So we're kind of in a jam, to be frank, for a few reasons. Tampa Bay Thunder have done nothing against the rules in selecting an IR Replacement for Carter Hart, but I also totally understand the argument that at THIS point in the proceedings, the scenario for an IR Replacement are not truthfully being met (and being used in a way that could be viewed as rather distasteful due to the circumstances). What's the proper way to handle this? Leave things as they are? Void Carter Hart's IR status/John Gibson's IR Replacement designation? Another option? If anyone has a fair alternative, please share it for consideration. Additionally, the Tampa Bay Thunder are at the top of the standings and my team, Moscow Red Army, stand directly beneath them. At this crucial point in the season, I don't feel comfortable possibly taking players off of a rivals roster. Perhaps its best if I sit this process out, and I'm curious if the line should go beyond myself (perhaps only non-playoff teams?). I think the way forward is to have a short, open discussion here, looking for the most balanced way to proceed, and then have a vote settle on an answer. Perhaps we set a deadline of the end of the current match (Match #17, Feb 11-17) for a conclusion. If you feel strongly about this, one way or the other, please share your thoughts. Likewise, if you don't feel comfortable doing this publicly, you're welcome to reach out to me in private, and I can share your thoughts anonymously if that would be preferred.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Feb 12, 2024 19:04:24 GMT -5
Just to clarify, I think anyone and everyone should be allowed to share their opinion, and my remark about how "only non-playoff teams should be involved" was meant to be in the event of an official vote.
Anyone is allowed to voice their feelings on this one, if they so choose.
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Feb 12, 2024 20:01:03 GMT -5
Injury Mental health Family emergency Team decision League substance abuse program
All of those are valid uses of the FAIR system in our league.
Having (allegedly) gangbanged a girl six years ago and just now being held accountable for it...is not.
Get Hart out of our league and Tampa can use the money he's saving on Hart's contract to sign Jonathan Quick if he wants. But using a system designed to help us compete when a goalie gets hurt to replace a guy up on repulsive sexual assault charges is not what that rule is for nor should it be allowed to be used in that manner.
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Post by Morweena Reimnoceri on Feb 12, 2024 22:32:10 GMT -5
I've cut good players off my team for less.
However, like Adam, I theoretically have things to gain from Tampa losing this player.
Without looking at Tampa's roster, here's a proposal for a solve:
Hart is gone. $12 of cap space is back into Tampa's pocket. If Tampa already has 3 term goalies, we allow an exemption for him to be able to sign whoever he has as the replacement for Hart. Only the current replacement player can be signed while being exempt from the term goalie allowance. Otherwise, he can use the cash to do whatever. Including signing any goalie, the catch though being that a different goalie would have to fit into the 3 term goalie rule.
I know that was a lot of ranting in circles, but did it make sense?
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Post by Portland Buckaroos on Feb 13, 2024 0:58:15 GMT -5
I'm just going to reiterate what I said before. Remove the players from the league, wipe their salaries. Every signing/draft pick comes with some risk and while this is kind of a unique situation (see Doug's last post) I just don't see how it is necessary to jump through a lot of hoops to make exceptions to our rules. Purge these players and move on.
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Feb 13, 2024 2:04:37 GMT -5
Tampa is currently using John Gibson as the FAIR replacement for Hart. Gibson sucks and is hurt, himself.
EL Release Hart, because it's the right thing to do. We're not gaining a competitive edge nor harming Tampa's roster/chances by removing John Gibson from his roster. This should be done by the time I get up on Tuesday morning.
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Post by Tampa Bay Thunder on Feb 13, 2024 5:27:49 GMT -5
EL Release Hart, because it's the right thing to do. I appreciate and respect your guys' desire to do the right thing, however, this is a fantasy hockey league and not everyone shares those qualities with this matter. Deleting Hart's name from our spreadsheet has absolutely no impact in real life. Now, the FAIR rule's inception precedes me as a manager, but it was Doug who mentioned I believe this off season it was devised as an emergency measure for managers. That's precisely what I'm using it for. In fact, if that is why the rule was made, I'm using it more true to purpose than how it's actually used. Injuries should be expected in the league and yet FAIR will be used for months on end, or the entire season, to solve a manger's goal tending issues. Now, to be honest and lay out my strategy for everyone (which I didn't plan on doing), picking up Gibson thru FAIR was a temporary solution. I cannot simply EL release Hart and pick up a free agent goalie as some have suggested because I'm at my term goalie limit. Aside from that, FAIR is not the most desirable solution for me. Hart has a $12 cap hit and a free agent goalie would probably go for much less than that. All this to say, I'm in a bit of a bind here. I have a good team and don't want to make the wrong decision and waste cap space. I am working on fixing the situation, but not because I feel morally obligated to release a player in a fantasy hockey league because he's accused of sexual assault and pretend I'm making a difference, but because the whole situation isn't desirable. If the FAIR rule was in fact implemented to help out in emergency situations, that's precisely what it's doing.
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Post by Melbourne Bushrangers on Feb 13, 2024 6:22:25 GMT -5
I’d cut the guy in a heartbeat.
But I am cautious about forcing another GM to live to the league’s moral standard. This, to me, is a straightforward moral situation but the next one might be more debatable.
I think Morweena’s suggestion works best. Give TB relief to sign another term goalie using the $12, if he wants to use his current FAIR goalie
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Feb 13, 2024 16:00:43 GMT -5
I cannot simply EL release Hart and pick up a free agent goalie as some have suggested because I'm at my term goalie limit. Aside from that, FAIR is not the most desirable solution for me. Hart has a $12 cap hit and a free agent goalie would probably go for much less than that. A suggestion - waive Jonas Johansson. He's played twice since New Year's Day, you won't miss him. Then go sign whomever you want off free agency with the $12 you'll save by releasing Carter Hart.
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Post by Tampa Bay Thunder on Feb 13, 2024 16:09:15 GMT -5
Thats an option, yes, but not my preference. Its $2 against my cap.
If you want, I can trade you Johansson, allowing me to release Hart and sign a free agent?
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Feb 13, 2024 16:46:09 GMT -5
Thats an option, yes, but not my preference. Its $2 against my cap. If you want, I can trade you Johansson, allowing me to release Hart and sign a free agent? You're currently paying $14 for Hart and Johansson (two goalies that don't play) You could pay $3 for any current FA ($2 to Johansson and $1 to the goalie you sign) with $11 cap savings. I'm not understanding your cap concerns.
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