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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 24, 2023 18:13:45 GMT -5
Issue: Releasing F.A.I.R. GoaliesThis poll will remain active for 4 days from the time it is posted.
A ' YES' vote means... If a team is utilizing a F.A.I.R. Goalie and their team is eliminated, either by failing to make the playoffs at the conclusion of the regular season or by being eliminated from the playoffs at the conclusion of a playoff round, then that Goalie is released from that team’s roster and made available to any remaining playoff teams. Expected Effects: - Helps remaining playoff teams dealing with sudden goalie injuries by providing the greatest number of possible replacement options.
- Reduces the potential of a playoff match being spoiled by a team failing to meet minimum goalie starts.
- Lacking a proposed "release" process that's easy/fair.
- Could swing a playoff match with the sudden addition of a "ringer".
A ' NO' vote means... F.A.I.R. Goalies continue to remain locked to their current team’s roster, out of circulation, until the off-season.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 24, 2023 18:26:50 GMT -5
I just want to highlight that one lacks a proposed implementation model/process. So please, if you're voting "YES", provide a solution on how you think this sort of thing could be carried out, with fairness and ease in mind.
Thank you.
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Post by Tampa Bay Thunder on Aug 25, 2023 8:39:06 GMT -5
What about if a team isn't making the playoffs, they have the option to try and "trade" a FAIR goalie. That would motivate them to release the goalie, and shift assets from a contending team to them. If the team does not or can not find a trade for the FAIR goalie, it is released at a certain time before the playoffs for the taking.
Once in the playoffs, all claimed FAIR goalies should be locked to the team they started the playoffs with IMO. A goalie switching teams in the playoffs after being eliminated is just weird.
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Post by Morweena Reimnoceri on Aug 25, 2023 9:22:45 GMT -5
You cannot trade replacement players.
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Post by Tampa Bay Thunder on Aug 25, 2023 10:18:53 GMT -5
Thats what im proposing. That you could. Theoretically, right now, you could drop them at a convenient time for another manager in exchange for an asset regardless.
This way would have a little more structure and fairness. It wouldnt just be the 1st person to log in after all the FAIR goalies are released before playoffs.
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Post by Morweena Reimnoceri on Aug 25, 2023 12:43:11 GMT -5
Ah - my mistake! Sorry!
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Aug 25, 2023 14:45:48 GMT -5
You have no claim to the player to trade him. He's only on your roster as an emergency measure. It would be like trading an EBUG in the NHL - he's not yours to trade.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 26, 2023 13:12:35 GMT -5
You have no claim to the player to trade him. He's only on your roster as an emergency measure. It would be like trading an EBUG in the NHL - he's not yours to trade. The champion has spokenAgreed. I'm not sure I like the idea of someone acquiring assets for a piece they never rightfully owned in the first place? As mentioned, the F.A.I.R. option is there to help someone out of a jam at its core, and should remain that? Also, this would be taking place after the trade deadline as well, which just muddles things up. All that being said, this is still the only process that's been put forth as a way to actually implement a F.A.I.R. release. If you're voting YES on this poll, please submit a process on how to implement such a thing.
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Post by Tampa Bay Thunder on Aug 26, 2023 13:57:50 GMT -5
You have no claim to the player to trade him. He's only on your roster as an emergency measure. It would be like trading an EBUG in the NHL - he's not yours to trade. The champion has spokenWhile I'm sure that's the spirit of the FAIR goalie rule, if one of your goalies gets a long term injury, they function nothing like an EBUG in the NHL. The FAIR goalie can actually be more beneficial in some scenarios. You can essentially stream different goalies throughout the year until one of them hits without having to commit a roster spot or salary to. Streaming goalies (or any position) is a strategy that a lot of one year leagues utilize and something this league, from my understanding, doesn't want to do (which is why we limit roster moves to 3 a week? for a 40 man roster.) But if you have an injured goalie, you have a streamer goalie, and you might get lucky and grab an unexpected starter on a good team off the waiver. And you would prevent another team from signing them if you're quick enough.
What I was suggesting, you can really already do in the league right now and would be legal as far as I know. You don't have to trade the FAIR goalie itself. You could trade the injured goalie, then the other manager could claim the FAIR goalie himself, no? Or you could send a guy a pick for future considerations and conveniently drop the goalie while the other manager is online waiting to claim as his FAIR goalie.
Regardless, my whole thing, is if a FAIR goalie gets released randomly right before the playoffs, a good one, a difference maker, it shouldn't be left to whoever just happened to log on first after he's dropped.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 26, 2023 14:26:28 GMT -5
Regardless, my whole thing, is if a FAIR goalie gets released randomly right before the playoffs, a good one, a difference maker, it shouldn't be left to whoever just happened to log on first after he's dropped. This specifically is why I'm so wary of this proposal. I understand the sentiment behind wanting F.A.I.R. Goalies off of a team that's been eliminated, but I haven't seen an easy/fair solution on how to make that actually happen. Without such a process, I still feel our existing policy is both the simplest and fairest way to handle things. This is a long-view league, and I think preparedness is an aspect of that. Dance with who got you there.
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Aug 26, 2023 22:03:42 GMT -5
The solution of how to get them off the team is simple - when the regular season ends all FAIR goalies on teams that didn't make the playoffs are released. Waiver order goes from there on who gets first shot at picking one of them up, should they be needed.
The champion has spoken
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Post by Melbourne Bushrangers on Aug 27, 2023 0:47:34 GMT -5
Which bit is concerning you, Adam?
1) That a GM will forget to release a FAIR goalie once their season is done, or 2) The luck required to have been logged on at the right time to claim them, once released
(it might be both)
I think most of us are pretty active and honourable on here and will know that we need to release FAIR goalies once our season is done. Can’t we - with a bit of self policing amongst ourselves - hold eachother to account on this? At least trial that.
If Doug is right about the 48 hour waiver timeline still being in place when we switch to playoffs, that seems reasonable. We’d expect a playoff GM to be checking at least every second day?
Or maybe I am missing something.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 27, 2023 9:25:36 GMT -5
Both of you bring up good points, maybe that's the way to go with it, should this pass. As long as people are dropping their eligible players, seems our Waivers system should be robust enough.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 30, 2023 13:03:08 GMT -5
With a 6-5 vote against, the rules will remain status quo. F.A.I.R. Goalies will continue to be kept out of circulation if being used by a team that's eliminated from playoff contention.
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