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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Jun 18, 2015 11:54:25 GMT -5
**This has been moved here from another topic. Everyone's welcome to share their thoughts on this, and if there's a bit of support for it, we'll throw it up in the Polls section for an official vote** -MoscowI was actually going to suggest we change the EL system to end at four years and $5. Very, very few players that we draft are going to stay on our rosters through the $12 season and specifically with players like McDavid and Eichel it's absurd that someone in this league will essentially get an 80+ point player for the next six years for a total of $24 (for a comparison, if I want to sign a UFA this summer to a five-year contract I have to bid a MINIMUM of $24 per year). I think it's an unfair advantage to teams that intentionally lose for an entire season to reap benefits for 6+ years. Connor McDavid will not be a UFA in our league until the summer of 2021. I just turned 41 and will be 47 before he's a UFA. Our champions twins girls are 2 now and will be 8-years old by then. That's absurd for a fantasy league, in my opinion, and I propose all EL players become a UFA after their fourth season in the NHL (their $5 year) which will both address this issue with defenseman and retain parity in this league. Drafting a stud player will still be very rewarding as you'll get four years of production out of him for just $8 total so it's not like the draft will become dramatically less important.
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Post by Vegas Aces Wild on Jun 18, 2015 12:14:04 GMT -5
Once again, and from a team FULL of EL contracts...
Great points by Doug here!
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Aug 28, 2015 14:45:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 14:50:09 GMT -5
I support this rule change.
What would the implementation look like? Where does the line get drawn? Is this only going forward, or retroactive?
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Aug 28, 2015 14:52:48 GMT -5
For the sake of Adam's sanity and ease of understanding for all of us, it would apply to all ELC players, effective immediately. If someone was a ELC player making $5 this season they would be a UFA next season.
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Post by Melbourne Bushrangers on Aug 28, 2015 15:29:27 GMT -5
Not against it but it needs to be in place from the 2016 draft. I'm still reasonably new, but often rule changes, category changes etc are put in place going forward so teams can put in place their strategy accordingly.
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Post by Oslo Mastodon on Aug 28, 2015 16:55:40 GMT -5
im against. for most fantasy relevent ELC players, they dont actually have an impact until they are a few years in - and by impact, i mean significantly where they would be an above average player for that position. meaning that if they come around when they have put in 3 years of NHL service time (this includes the free year at $0), we are into the $5 range; which means that our draft pick took 3 years to develop, and we can reap the benefits for 3 years. Obviously there are exceptions, like McDavid, where they are producing at a upper tier level out of the gate (or so we presume), but generally it takes awhile before our EL guys make waves. So I don't feel it is an "unfair" advantage to have someone like McDavid or Eichel for 5 years because they are generational players who rarely come around. I don't think we should change the setting after 3 years just because of envy for other managers fortunes.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 28, 2015 21:44:25 GMT -5
I specifically didn't throw my hat in on this one when it was originally brought up because I wanted there to be a dialogue already going before I came along and said my peace. Now that we've started though, I'll share some thoughts:
1) As Ross just eluded to, you're making a mistake when you throw McDavid (and Eichel to a similar degree) into discussions about adjustments to league standards and norms. He's an outlier and a complete oddity. If you start banking on his impact on the league, you're skewing things in the long term.
2) As Ross also eluded to, you are also making an investment into these players BEYOND their annual salary. They are taking up valuable roster slots that could be used elsewhere for immediate, short term benefit to your team (as the winning teams have found success in doing so far in the life of our league). This needs to be considered when weighing the value of these players.
3) Personally, I think losing a player after their $5 is way, way too low. For instance, look at Vegas and Yakupov (no offense, Tony). Vegas used a FIRST OVERALL PICK to select the guy, and it's fair to say that he's barely made an impact in Vegas' line-up (no offense, Tony). Finally, this year, he MAY finally be worth the time, space, and salary that Vegas has put into him (or maybe even not, no offense, Tony)... and then he'd be out of Vegas' control this summer? That's a terrible, terrible deal for Vegas, in my mind (no offense, Tony).
4) We haven't had a single EL Player drafted even reach the $12/y salary mark, so I think it's a bit premature to be evaluating this stuff anyways.
5) If you start comparing this league to a typical fantasy sports league, you're making a huge mistake. This is not an ordinary hockey pool. It's far beyond that. As it has been from the beginning, it's a long-term process and a long-term commitment. This is a league to be considered in the mind set of years, not weeks like you would with a regular pool.
6) All that being said, I'm open to the idea of dialogue and revision here. There's merit to what Doug is saying. What I'd perhaps consider is a change to the structure of the EL salary ladder. Instead of $1-$2-$5-$8-$12, perhaps we could consider $1-$2-$4-$8-$16 (x2 each year) or $1-$3-$6-$10-$15 ($1 to [+2]$3 to [+3]$6 to [+4]$10 to [+5]$15). That way, the elite level EL Players that would actually hang around to 6y of service cost a higher amount, which could be considered more on-par with market value.
7) I've proposed this before only to have it fall on deaf ears, but I'll put it out there again: We could consider implementing an RFA style "Right to Match" to players coming off EL Player contracts. Going off Doug's proposal of the $5 year being the final for an EL Player, Yakupov would hit Free Agency after this season. However, with "Right to Match", Vegas would be able to match any offer given to Yakupov, to reward his previous commitment to the player. So if Vegas had an $10/3y/$10 offer on Vegas, then Stockholm offers Yakupov $12/3y/$36, Vegas would be able to offer Yakupov the SAME bid of $12/3y/$36 and retain him. Should Stockholm then offer $13/3y/$39, and that's too much for Vegas, Yakupov would go to Stockholm. This would also work for people EL Releasing a player, and then immediately offering them a TERM contract (in other words, any player coming off an EL Player Contract through any means, would offer the former owner the Right to Match).
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Post by Vegas Aces Wild on Aug 29, 2015 8:47:46 GMT -5
Hey Commish, no offense taken - 3 TIMES FUK!! lol
I really don't see how we can change the length of existing EL contracts a month before the season starts and without one of said contracts actually having matured yet.
Coming from a manager that was FULL of them last year, I had to make a lot of hard decisions on who to move this off-season in order to be competitive this season and I've planned my Cap Space for the next 4 years on the basis of all the $12 5th years coming due on my roster during that time.
It's easy enough to EL release a guy if he's not living up to his contract but we can't formulate a new breakdown on the basis of Connor McDavid being underpaid and Doug turning 47...can we??
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