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Post by Melbourne Bushrangers on Jul 10, 2015 8:14:02 GMT -5
Cool, sounds good.
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 1, 2015 21:01:56 GMT -5
Are we voting on this one or reconsidering at a later date? probably vote in a couple months, with a result reflecting the season after next. I'd actually like to go ahead and just implement this for the coming 2015 season and bypassing a vote. I don't do this often, but I don't really see it as anything but a minor, positive effect. Seemingly the vast majority already seem to have supported it by their words (without official tally, I realise), and I don't see it as something that really has to be considered in team-building years in advance. Unless that's not koesher with you folks, I'd like to implement it for the season we're about to start.
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Post by Melbourne Bushrangers on Aug 2, 2015 1:56:37 GMT -5
Good by me, oh glorious Dictator...errr...I mean, Commish.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 10:53:12 GMT -5
I strongly prefer that we hold off on changes.
And I don't even like the proposed change.
Again, I play in a H2HSW league, and I like this far far far more. My H2HSW league is looking to switch to this, because the SW is a bit boring/doesn't allow for as quick of a turn around for teams. H2H with multiple win categories keeps teams in it deeper into the season, whereas - in my experience - H2HSW has people checking out around halfway through.
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Aug 3, 2015 11:41:50 GMT -5
What would the standings have been last season had we used H2HSW standings rather than the current system? I'm curious how dramatically this would change things and if it's even worth doing. Moscow says this will make things more interesting for us, Milwaukee says the opposite (and has firsthand experience).
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 3, 2015 13:25:17 GMT -5
My H2HSW league is looking to switch to this, because the SW is a bit boring/doesn't allow for as quick of a turn around for teams. H2H with multiple win categories keeps teams in it deeper into the season, whereas - in my experience - H2HSW has people checking out around halfway through. In my experiences with the system, I find it to be exactly the opposite. I won't regurgitate my argument again though, because I'm sure you've all heard me blab about it enough already, haha. Question for you though, Tim. This H2HSW pool that you're in... It's a baseball pool, right? Could that explain the difference, with the larger schedule in the MLB as compared to the NHL? What would the standings have been last season had we used H2HSW standings rather than the current system? I'm curious how dramatically this would change things and if it's even worth doing. Moscow says this will make things more interesting for us, Milwaukee says the opposite (and has firsthand experience). I can try and give this a go when I dig out some time. However, I don't want people to support or reject the system based if they would have qualified for the playoffs or not because of it though.
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Aug 3, 2015 13:38:31 GMT -5
What would the standings have been last season had we used H2HSW standings rather than the current system? I'm curious how dramatically this would change things and if it's even worth doing. Moscow says this will make things more interesting for us, Milwaukee says the opposite (and has firsthand experience). I can try and give this a go when I dig out some time. However, I don't want people to support or reject the system based if they would have qualified for the playoffs or not because of it though. I won't base my vote on that, I'll be at the top either way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 14:41:44 GMT -5
It is a baseball pool, yes.
I like the H2H as an improvement over roto too. In roto things get set too early, which I feel is somewhat the case in H2HSW.
Here's how things would have panned out last year: 1. Finnish 18-3-2 = 38 2. Quebec 17-5-1 = 35 3. Morweena 16-5-2 = 34 4. Milwaukee 14-8-1 = 29 5. Camarillo 13-8-2 = 28 6. Moscow 12-9-2 = 26 7. Oslo 10-11-2 = 22 8. Caroline 7-13-3 = 17 9. Dynamo 6-15-2 = 14 10. Gravol 6-14-3 = 15 11. Mandalore 6-16-1 = 13 12. Melbourne 2-20-1 = 5
What I would love to try in some league (football seems like it would be the best since it's the most luck-based when it comes to H2H schedule) is a week to week roto where "points" are awarded to each team each week depending on what team has the best week.
So that would be 12 points for having the best week, and 1 point for having the worst. It eliminates luck of the draw scheduling, and it makes managers have to consider more than just the single team they're playing that week.
Don't think it could work in our league, but on a points based system (that seems similar, though based on whole season stats in all the categories vs all the other teams), here's how things would have panned out:
1 103 Quebec Bulldogs 2 102 Milwaukee Admirals 3 99 Moscow Red Army 4 90 Finnish Flash 5 80 Camarillo Kings 6 78 Morweena Reimnoceri 7 76.5 Oslo Mastodon 8 75.5 Caroline Kifekillers 9 50.5 Gravol Datsyuk 10 47.5 Dynamo Atlanta 11 30 Mandalore Mythosaurs 12 26 Melbourne Bushrangers
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Post by Melbourne Bushrangers on Aug 3, 2015 14:58:07 GMT -5
What I would love to try in some league (football seems like it would be the best since it's the most luck-based when it comes to H2H schedule) is a week to week roto where "points" are awarded to each team each week depending on what team has the best week. So that would be 12 points for having the best week, and 1 point for having the worst. It eliminates luck of the draw scheduling, and it makes managers have to consider more than just the single team they're playing that week. Hmmm. I've only been in this league for a year, but what I have noticed is that in almost all situations, the league tries to replicate reality. I really don't like the current format and like the above suggestion even less. Virtually not even focussing on your opponent in your matchup doesn't feel right to me.
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Post by Vegas Aces Wild on Aug 4, 2015 13:53:56 GMT -5
I think I understand what Tim is trying to explain but I'm in agreement with Daniel here. The weekly "match-up" should be about the team you're playing against which forces you to use your roster moves wisely in preparation of your oppositions strong categories.
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Post by St. Roch Hawks on Aug 24, 2015 14:34:52 GMT -5
Did we ever settle this? The league is currently set up as a W-L-T for each category, is that what we're going with for this season or are we going to switch to a single W/L system?
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Post by Moscow Red Army on Aug 24, 2015 15:38:49 GMT -5
I'm going to make an executive decision here and officially change the league from the Multiple Win system to the Single Win system.
1) I feel really strongly that this will serve our league for the better by keeping playoff races tighter and more exciting.
2) When we reach the playoffs, we're pretty much doing a Single Win system already anyways (Doesn't matter how much you win by, just that you win more than your opponent)
3) I feel that this will not impact the league on a grand scale, and that the strong teams will still prevail and the weaker teams will still struggle.
4) Worse case scenario is that people prefer the old system, and we can revert to it next season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 15:22:41 GMT -5
I actually like things the way they are. I like the idea of having to fight for every category, personally.
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Post by Oslo Mastodon on Aug 28, 2015 16:59:38 GMT -5
I like single win. It is a weekly series.
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Post by Melbourne Bushrangers on Aug 28, 2015 17:10:47 GMT -5
Go with it, Comrade. The people love a Czar exercising his authority.
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